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It is being reported that Iran is building two more, previously unknown nuclear facilities.  Israel is doing practice runs and this is a potentially explosive (no pun intended) situation.

In light of obama's recent disgraceful treatment of Israel's PM - Who amoung us will be willing to protest and stand with Israel?  Seems like obama is more interested in taking care of his muslim friends.

Are we going to stand for this???

I fail to understand what you mean by 'muslim friends'.  President Obama, though I may disagree with most of his ideas for this country, is a Christian.  Also, Obama is pressing pretty aggressively (as aggressively as the UN will allow) to bring further sanctions against Iran.  The problem is that China has been fighting this for a while now, though they may be about to change their minds on that.

I hate disinformation, no matter who it is aimed at.  Everyone, please educate yourself on whatever subject you feel passionate about.

To Brokinarrow, I just love it when people don't like what they hear so they tell say you are putting out disinformation, like that is going to stop the truth.  Let me ask you, how do you know that Obama is a Christian? Because he says so?  He also said his administration will be the most transparent in history. Is it? He said that he can't not and he will not govern with a 50 plus 1 vote. Did he? He said that the health care bill will be out there where everyone could read it for 72 hours before it is voted on. Was it? He said that he never heard his pastor of 20 years speak the things we all heard. He didn't?  So let me ask you, have you educated yourself about Obama and all the lies he is telling?  Please do and then answer the question about how you know he is a Christian. 

Now to the muslim friends comment, again please educate yourself.  No president in our history (not even the lame Jimmy Carter) has treated the head of Israel so terrible as this president has.  All you have to do is spend 5 minutes of research to find this out. He bows himself to some of our enemy's and treats our friends as he would an enemy.  

As to Iran, this is the president who said all you have to do is "talk" to these leaders, like Iran. So how did that work out for ya Obama? Sanctions will not work against Iran. Just like they haven't for the years we have already been doing it.  "As aggressively as the UN will allow"?  How is it that Clinton bombed the Serbs without getting approval from the UN?

I think you gave out some good advice, now please use it.

Cecil - Look, I'm not disputing that Obama treated Israel's PM like dirt.  Like I said, there is plenty of things this man has done that I don't agree with, cheif among them would be his cramming bills down the country's throat and claiming it a victory even though he got them passed by a narrow margin.  Obviously a good portion of the country disagrees with what he is doing, you'd think that would cause him to stop and think.  Anyway, I'm simply saying that the man isn't Muslim.  If you have proof to the contrary I'd love to see it, otherwise just keep that tinfoil hat pulled on tight!

So if sanctions won't work in Iran, what do you suggest?  Going to war with them?  I've been to Iraq, and Afghanistan (4 years with the Marines) and let me tell you right now, a war with Iran will go nowhere fast.  Don't be so quick to dinounce a strategy if you don't have a better one to put forth.

Brokin, you want proof he is a Muslim?  Ok, once you give me proof he is a Christian, I will do so. 

It isn't if sanctions don't work, it is sanctions don't work.  As I said, we have already proven that. They are or already have the capability to have the bomb.  Everyone and their dog says we can't let them get the bomb. So what does Obama do? He wants to talk. Yeah, that will work with someone who thinks that the Holocaust is a lie, that if he gets the chance he will wipe Israel off the face of the earth, that he would do the same to "infidels".  Let me ask you, what happen when Iraq was almost to the place of getting the bomb? What did Israel do? Was everyone mad at them for wiping out that capability? Yes.  Did everybody love what they did under their breath? Yes.   Obama is the only thing standing in the place of allowing Israel to take out those places, but every day it gets harder to do and who do you think knows that?  Yeah,  Ahmadinejad.  Why do you think he likes how Obama is handling this?  Why do you think the longer we "talk" the more time he has to buy the defense missiles from Russia?

Do I think that is a better strategy than "talking" to him?  Yes, and it would have been a much better one toward the end of the Bush administration.

Why do I need to prove anything to you if you don't want to prove anything to me?  The man says he's a Christian, he obviously goes to Church (remember the whole episode with his former pastur?).  Also, I don't really care what religion he is, as every religion has it's fanatics and extremeists.... some more than others.

What should be done sanction wise:  A complete trade embargo against any nation that does not abide by the UN's rules.  Sadly this will never happen because China has too much invested in Iran, and gain a lot from trading with them.  But if we could somehow get it to happen the effects would be quite brutal in a short matter of time.

The problem with bombing Iran's nuclear sites is that they already have several hardened facilities deep inside mountains that we can't get at.  Bomb the facilities that are on the surface and their work will just move further underground, and then they'll use that as a reason to justify an attempted nuking of whoever attacks them.  Or, as we've already seen Iran doing, they'll just provide the know-how and material to jihaadists and let them do their dirty work for them, while they sit back and claim ignornace.

In my opinion, at this point we've already failed at keeping Iran from nuclear weapons.  Only solution I can see aside from all out war, which won't happen, is a large cold-war-esque CIA effort to get in and sabotage the facilities, abduct nuclear scientists, whatever it takes to stop them. 

To Brokinarrow, What religion the man practices is of no concern to me. What matters is does he have a demonstrated appreciation for all various religious beliefs, practices - like an American, most Americans. OR would he knowingly sit in a religious house listening to hate speech about others for years on end. Doesn't seem tolerant to me!

Don't be too quick to give Iran the credit of nuclear weapon tech know how. I for one truly believe that the day after the Iranian  leaders gain the knowledge that they have a weapon that can be used or delivered is the same day it will be used. After all, just consider all of the loss of life that their export of conventional weapons has caused in the middle east each day we wring our hands over "do they or don't they have a bomb" . If we cannot stand up for and protect our fellow human beings, then "they" have "won".

IMO, the only "problem" with Iran's nuclear sites is that they have any at all. I would propose that we Americans lead the world in stopping this evil before it goes any farther. Like, tomorrow, announce that next month, we will begin removing all nuclear materials, weapons, and technology from the area currently known as Iran, unless the Iranian people do it before we get there. History teaches many times almost all war is caused by weakness or the perception of same. Leaving this alone one more day and hoping that the problem will get better is naive.

A nuclear weapon is just that, a weapon. Not unlike the crossbow, a trebochet, or a battleship like the Bismark. It matters not the Weapon, because weapons are harmless by themselves. They all require humans to use them to kill other humans. So, until Iran leaders use the Weapon, it is never too late to prevent it from being used.

I hate to break this to you Brokin, but because one goes to a church does not make one a Christian. And again, I will remind you that words coming from this president means little, it is his actions that speak louder than his words.  Who does he surround himself with?  Radicals, socialists, people who despise Israel, perverts who he puts in as our "safe school" czar, a self avowed communist (Van Jones, who quit after being exposed for who is he) And if you don't care what religion he is, why are you the one that made a big deal out of it in the first place? And yes I remember the episode with his former pastor, the Black Liberation Theology pastor - please look up what that means.

I agree with rradda that most wars are caused by weakness or even the perception of.  Does anyone think that any president in recent memory has been any weaker than the one currently at the White House?

Cecil at 12:29AM on Apr 08, 2010

I hate to break this to you Brokin, but because one goes to a church does not make one a Christian. And again, I will remind you that words coming from this president means little, it is his actions that speak louder than his words.  Who does he surround himself with?  Radicals, socialists, people who despise Israel, perverts who he puts in as our "safe school" czar, a self avowed communist (Van Jones, who quit after being exposed for who is he) And if you don't care what religion he is, why are you the one that made a big deal out of it in the first place? And yes I remember the episode with his former pastor, the Black Liberation Theology pastor - please look up what that means.

 

I agree with rradda that most wars are caused by weakness or even the perception of.  Does anyone think that any president in recent memory has been any weaker than the one currently at the White House?

 

"I hate to break this to you Brokin, but because one goes to a church does not make one a Christian."

- the same can be said for your or any other Christian - the faith fight is a no-end arguement - you can't prove it either way because religion is in your mind and actions, not the building you walk into.

"Who does he surround himself with?  Radicals, socialists, people who despise Israel, perverts who he puts in as our "safe school" czar, a self avowed communist (Van Jones, who quit after being exposed for who is he)"

- I don't see anyone argueing with this analysis - I think the other fella was discussing war wtih Iran was not the best option for any party involved.  Show me the reports where Iran has nuclear weapons.  I sure hope those reports are more accurate than the dog and pony show Powell put forth to congress years ago which got us into a TRILLION dollar 7+ year war.

On a similar note, I think is ironic and tragically sad that BOTH parties are the war-monger parties now - pre-emptive war seems to be the option.  The Dems are actually full of just as many war hawks as the Republicans as you noted that few in the defense departement were changed when Obama came into power - you have to separate the military policy (which does not change) from domestic policy.

If you believe in the Tea Party movement, maybe you should read the mission statement and constitution.  I don't see anything about entangling foreign alliances (i.e. Israel), buildling a world empire (i.e. that is us), etc.  There are plenty of reasons why the Muslims hate Israel and it has nothing to do with "Democracy".

http://www.rense.com/Datapages/gazdat.htm

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."  - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

Oh, and if you are a tea party member, how can you promote yet another TRILLION dollar war (Iran will be a tougher adversary than Iraq!!) and occupation when this organizations's mission statement & vision (http://www.desmoinesteaparty.org/mission.htm) "preserve and defend Constitutional principles through a limited federal and state government, a decrease in government spending, a cessation of over-taxation, a continuance of capitalism in its truest form, and a return to the principles and values that our founding fathers espoused when they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honors and our goal is to encourage all to do the same.".

Are ware not declared by Congress unconsitutional?  I think a lot of poeple have to actually read the constitution, not just give it lip-service or use parts of it when it suits their agenda.

The founding fathers would be appalled at the world empire we've built - but not surprised at the consequences we are encountering today   Don't you find it funny that both parties mention this collectivist, totalitarian "New World Order" in the  house of Congress and no mainstream media question this?

Jeremy, Christianity is in your heart and a relationship between you and Jesus Christ and therefore in your actions, on the other hand religion is whatever you want it to be.

You can complain about the war in Iraq all you want but on Sept 11 2001, there was no one saying the kind of things you are saying now. As Bush said, people will forget what it felt like on Sept 12 - time will pass and people will forget and he was right. Whatever you think about the war, you cannot deny the Iraq people are better now than they were - no more rape rooms, no more mass graves, etc. I am not even saying that is why we went in there, but once we did the Iraqi people are better because of it. We have lost multiple times over the amount of lives lost in Iraq by drunk drivers here in the states in the same amount of time we have been in Iraq, these victims are innocent people who lost their lives because someone decided to be stupid and drink and drive.

I challenge you to read "Son of Hamas" in order to see clearer what / why things are happening in the Mid East. I take his word for what is happening because he was inside both sides, over what people say or don't say on the internet. As you might note as far as war, I said Israel will do it themselves because they know that a country that promises they will blow you off the face of the earth and has a bomb, they have to protect themselves from this mad man just as we would if – let’s say Candia tells the world that they are going to wipe US off the face of the earth. We would protect ourselves – I hope.

Obama's treatment of Israel's prime minister  is absolutely disgraceful,  we should be standing with  our allies and standing with them in regards to Iran.

I just want to add to the comment of "I dont care what religion he is." Well, let me add that in this country you have the right to practice whatever religion you want. However, whether you like it or believe it or not this country was founded by deep seeded, god fearing christian values. The people who founded this nation believed in god and his teachings which carried over to the way this country was formed. Now..for me, I want the person holding the highest seat in the country to have and display those qualities from the start. I think there should be no question or doubt. Obviously from looking at this comment thread that there is doubt. This mans christian roots and even his place of birth is shrouded in mystery! If you were innocent of all the accusations against you, wouldnt you want to scream it from the mountain tops and prove your innocense? I havent heard anything.

IT DOES MATTER WHAT RELIGION HE IS! As long as he holds the office that he does..IT MATTERS!

You wouldnt want a muslim running a christian based country would you? I would hope not. I know if the roles were reversed you would probably be hanged. Not embraced for having a different opinion of religion

I just want to add to the comment of "I dont care what religion he is." Well, let me add that in this country you have the right to practice whatever religion you want. However, whether you like it or believe it or not this country was founded by deep seeded, god fearing christian values. The people who founded this nation believed in god and his teachings which carried over to the way this country was formed. Now..for me, I want the person holding the highest seat in the country to have and display those qualities from the start. I think there should be no question or doubt. Obviously from looking at this comment thread that there is doubt. This mans christian roots and even his place of birth is shrouded in mystery! If you were innocent of all the accusations against you, wouldnt you want to scream it from the mountain tops and prove your innocense? I havent heard anything.

IT DOES MATTER WHAT RELIGION HE IS! As long as he holds the office that he does..IT MATTERS!

You wouldnt want a muslim running a christian based country would you? I would hope not. I know if the roles were reversed you would probably be hanged. Not embraced for having a different opinion of religion

Just to add to the first comments from Elizabeth, here is part of article about Ed Kock, a democrat, who is just as upset as she is. 

Former New York Mayor Ed Koch, a Democrat who campaigned for President Obama in 2008, slammed the U.S. leader's recent treatment of Israel as "outrageous" and "hostile," declaring he is "close" to "getting off the Obama train."

"I think it's outrageous what he has done," stated Koch, referring to Obama, who Koch said has called for Jews not to "build apartments anywhere they want to and can afford to in their own land in Jerusalem."

"It's clear that Netanyahu was treated so terribly at the White House," he said. "It is just rude what they did to him. ... I am extremely distressed with the attitude that the president has shown Israel. I consider it to be hostility."

"I am really terrified at what is happening and I would urge Jews and Christians who support Israel to stand up and speak out," Koch added.

This just goes to support Elizabeth's encouragement to stand up with Israel.

wow - guess i opened up a little can of worms. Let me be perfectly clear (pun intended).....I don't know what this man's religion is....seems to me its himself more than anything. He was the one who wanted to call the national day of prayer a day of reflection or whatever exact word he replaced prayer with. He is the one who can't seem to pick a church after a year and 1/2. He can pick a dog, he can play basketball (not that wasn't meant to be racial), he can golf and bowl, but he can pick a church - weird....

I DO care what religion he is. Our country was built on fundamental Christian values. Yes, I know we have freedom of religion here and thats great - but that freedom allowed a bunch of stupid haters to kill 3000 people on 9/11. Anyone who doesn't believe that there are already many more in this country who would try to do the same thing again if they could is a fool.

I'm just stating that Obama is very slippery when it comes to this subject and it troubles me....why, if you are a Christian would you not be forthright about that....oh wait I forgot...each time he is forthright it turns out to be a big lie! He seems to be more concerned about muslims than anyone else - and not as a threat, but he wants to make friends with these radicals...maybe have a group therapy session. His father was a muslim and he attended muslim schools when he was a young boy. Are you so naive that you think none of this hasn't stuck with him? Why would he sit in Rev. Wrights church for 20 years and listen to the crap that comes out of that man's mouth. If I were anywhere and someone said God Damn America, i would stand up and call that person out. Did obama do that?? No! Instead Rev Wright was one of his mentors - at least until he became a liability. This man is all about transparancy - HE IS TRANSPARANT - If you can't look at and listen to what he says and not see what he is all about, then you are a blind man. I can't believe so many people were taken in by him and could not see what he is all about. That is the great tragedy here.

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As for Israel - They have always been our ally and the only one we have in the middle east that we could ever actually trust. If they want to build homes, thats their business and I am sick of the constant whining of the palistinians. If they had spent 1/2 as much time and effort into building up what they have instead of harping on the same old crap for the past 50 years maybe they would be in a better place....they are whiners and as long as all they can do is come up with ways to wage war and kill innocent people and throw rocks because of their "perceived" injustices then they will continue to live the way they do. I don't pity them at all. Maybe Israel will get lucky and Irans nuke will be a little off target and solve that problem.

I stand with Israel. I do not trust any muslim, sorry but i don't buy the whole 'religion of peace' thing. Would I like to believe it? Yes, but I just don't. See, I REMEMBER 9/11. I do remember what that day felt like because i still feel it everyday and i will never forget what their so called religion did to us. Theirs is a religion of hate and death and I will fight against it to my last breath. When I see our President running all over the world (does he ever stay home?) bowing and kissing the butt of different leaders around the world it makes me sick and yes - it makes me question his motives. This is the greatest country in the world and I will never bow to anyone except my God. Unfortunately, obama represents us and I resent his constant apologies - not in may name, thank you very much.

To Elizabeth about your last comment on everything you said about obama..I agree 100%. The problem isnt trying to convince the right or the Tea partiers..its trying to convince the numb minded people who arent involved and who buy into the crap that he's selling. they dont follow politics enough to know the truth..How do we reach them and change their way of thinking? thats whats killin us

To Jim Bacorn - Amen Brother.  Its too bad you are not required to take a test before you vote.  Most people couldn't name the VP, let alone the Sec of State or homeland sec.  There is no cure for stupid.  The people you speak of will only figure it out when it all starts hitting them in the pocketbook, whick of course it will and then I think we will discenigrate into a split between those who work and budget and make the hard decisions and those who are entitled.  I just spent my saturday morning at the dmv in ankeny and was astonished at what I saw there.  Truly sad that our country has been just given away.  We have to fight to get it back.

Elizabeth...NIce..I like that "you cant fix stupid" thats for sure. "heres your sign".  Plus, you're right..they'll find out when it hits them in the pocket book. But they will either end up being convinced its for the best or like you said they wont care because of entitlements. ENTITLEMENTS!!! What the hell!? Since when are we entitled to anything. I agree with you..we need to fight for our country back. God forbid the day comes when we have to actually  stand and fight but if that day comes I hope to have someone like you by my side!